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		<title>By: EpicWords.com</title>
		<link>http://www.gnomestew.com/tools-for-gms/spotlight-review-epicwords/comment-page-1#comment-5922</link>
		<dc:creator>EpicWords.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 15:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rafe I feel your pain. Getting players (and even GMs sometimes) to use these sort of tools is always going to be the most difficult part. This problem is actually among the inspirations for starting this site. While there is no way to force people to use the tools out there, but you can lower the barriers: Placing the tools on a single site, and gearing them towards the needs of RPGs.
We also realize that we can&#039;t be everything to everyone (despite our best efforts). Burning Wheel is one of those systems that abstracts concepts like equipment and experience in a way that makes our Loot and XP tools less than useful. However, many systems should work well for them. We are, of course, interested in hearing suggestions on making our tools more generally useful.

@Nojo We are actually in the middle of adding calendar/scheduling support for the site. It&#039;s a non-trival task, but we hope to have feature out soon.

@Taellosse We are also adding support to ease linking to other/new wikis when you&#039;re editing. This should be available shortly.

Thanks again for all your comments/suggestions and criticisms. We want to make the site as useful as possible and the only way to do that is to know exactly what our (potential) users want and need.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5922&#039;,&#039;EpicWords.com&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rafe I feel your pain. Getting players (and even GMs sometimes) to use these sort of tools is always going to be the most difficult part. This problem is actually among the inspirations for starting this site. While there is no way to force people to use the tools out there, but you can lower the barriers: Placing the tools on a single site, and gearing them towards the needs of RPGs.<br />
We also realize that we can&#8217;t be everything to everyone (despite our best efforts). Burning Wheel is one of those systems that abstracts concepts like equipment and experience in a way that makes our Loot and XP tools less than useful. However, many systems should work well for them. We are, of course, interested in hearing suggestions on making our tools more generally useful.</p>
<p>@Nojo We are actually in the middle of adding calendar/scheduling support for the site. It&#8217;s a non-trival task, but we hope to have feature out soon.</p>
<p>@Taellosse We are also adding support to ease linking to other/new wikis when you&#8217;re editing. This should be available shortly.</p>
<p>Thanks again for all your comments/suggestions and criticisms. We want to make the site as useful as possible and the only way to do that is to know exactly what our (potential) users want and need.
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		<title>By: Patrick Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 13:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Kurt! An honest review was my first and foremost priority here.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5918&#039;,&#039;Patrick Benson&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kurt! An honest review was my first and foremost priority here.
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		<title>By: Kurt "Telas" Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt "Telas" Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 02:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Gnome, what I like about this review is that it is honest, even painfully so.

Most videogame review sites are a joke; they either inflate all of their reviews, or base their entire review on that one thing they didn&#039;t like.  That way lies madness.

I&#039;m very pleased that we&#039;re starting a tradition of being honest with our reviews.  Our readers deserve our frank opinions, the companies being reviewed deserve blunt and honest feedback, and our reputations ride on our integrity.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Gnome, what I like about this review is that it is honest, even painfully so.</p>
<p>Most videogame review sites are a joke; they either inflate all of their reviews, or base their entire review on that one thing they didn&#8217;t like.  That way lies madness.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very pleased that we&#8217;re starting a tradition of being honest with our reviews.  Our readers deserve our frank opinions, the companies being reviewed deserve blunt and honest feedback, and our reputations ride on our integrity.  </p>
<p>Good review, Patrick.
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		<title>By: kenmarable</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenmarable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 13:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-5863&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Patrick Benson&lt;/a&gt; - I guess I was thinking more of a feature comparison than a &quot;I think X site is better than Y overall&quot; kinda thing since it depends on a lot of different factors that vary per person.

But having taken a look at both, it seems their free versions are robust enough that I&#039;m going to give both a try. Might be a fair amount of copying back and forth, but they both have their benefits, I&#039;ll just have to see which (if either) fits my needs better.

Thanks for posting the review and giving me the nudge to finally try them out!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5880&#039;,&#039;kenmarable&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-5863' rel="nofollow">@Patrick Benson</a> &#8211; I guess I was thinking more of a feature comparison than a &#8220;I think X site is better than Y overall&#8221; kinda thing since it depends on a lot of different factors that vary per person.</p>
<p>But having taken a look at both, it seems their free versions are robust enough that I&#8217;m going to give both a try. Might be a fair amount of copying back and forth, but they both have their benefits, I&#8217;ll just have to see which (if either) fits my needs better.</p>
<p>Thanks for posting the review and giving me the nudge to finally try them out!
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		<title>By: Taellosse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taellosse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 02:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got an EpicWords free account several months back to try out, and came to similar conclusions.  Then I found Obsidian Portal, and am using that instead.  There are some things EpicWords does better--having a free forum and blog built in among them--but the difficulty in creating new pages and linking them about in the wiki was what finally sold me on Obsidian Portal instead, since it DOES have that ability (except with characters, for some reason--they decided to make characters sit outside a given campaign&#039;s directory structure, so they&#039;ve either got to have unique page names, or, by default, get assigned a random number.  Which means you really can&#039;t easily make links to character pages that don&#039;t exist yet on the fly like you can with everything else).  I like the look (though not necessarily the layout) of EpicWords better, but I like the functionality of Obsidian Portal more.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5867&#039;,&#039;Taellosse&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got an EpicWords free account several months back to try out, and came to similar conclusions.  Then I found Obsidian Portal, and am using that instead.  There are some things EpicWords does better&#8211;having a free forum and blog built in among them&#8211;but the difficulty in creating new pages and linking them about in the wiki was what finally sold me on Obsidian Portal instead, since it DOES have that ability (except with characters, for some reason&#8211;they decided to make characters sit outside a given campaign&#8217;s directory structure, so they&#8217;ve either got to have unique page names, or, by default, get assigned a random number.  Which means you really can&#8217;t easily make links to character pages that don&#8217;t exist yet on the fly like you can with everything else).  I like the look (though not necessarily the layout) of EpicWords better, but I like the functionality of Obsidian Portal more.
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		<title>By: Patrick Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 01:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent comments, but I&#039;m going to address just one directly:

&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-5843&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@kenmarable&lt;/a&gt; - I know that another gnome is going to review Obsidian Portal in the near future. I am not a fan of comparison reviews, but I do believe that reviews of similar products on Gnome Stew should be linked to each other for easy reference. I&#039;d much rather give each site my complete attention and use the same system for rating the sites. Just my preference.

Not all groups are going to use online tools, and some game systems will need highly customized tools. Yet I believe that sites like EpicWords are going to become increasingly popular.

I really do believe that EpicWords is a site too keep your eye on. Keep in mind that this is a &quot;first generation&quot; product, and it is delivering what it promises. I am looking forward to what features are added and refined as the site matures. Plus, it might be the right fit for you as of right now. At the very least do yourself a favor and try the free account out to see if it is a match for you.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5863&#039;,&#039;Patrick Benson&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent comments, but I&#8217;m going to address just one directly:</p>
<p><a href='#comment-5843' rel="nofollow">@kenmarable</a> &#8211; I know that another gnome is going to review Obsidian Portal in the near future. I am not a fan of comparison reviews, but I do believe that reviews of similar products on Gnome Stew should be linked to each other for easy reference. I&#8217;d much rather give each site my complete attention and use the same system for rating the sites. Just my preference.</p>
<p>Not all groups are going to use online tools, and some game systems will need highly customized tools. Yet I believe that sites like EpicWords are going to become increasingly popular.</p>
<p>I really do believe that EpicWords is a site too keep your eye on. Keep in mind that this is a &#8220;first generation&#8221; product, and it is delivering what it promises. I am looking forward to what features are added and refined as the site matures. Plus, it might be the right fit for you as of right now. At the very least do yourself a favor and try the free account out to see if it is a match for you.
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		<title>By: Nojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are using a Yahoo group now. One BIG feature I see in the Yahoo group and not in Epic Words is a calendar. 
I set the Calendar to send out game reminders 3 and 1 day ahead of time. These arrive in people&#039;s email, and I don&#039;t have to remember to do it.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5860&#039;,&#039;Nojo&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are using a Yahoo group now. One BIG feature I see in the Yahoo group and not in Epic Words is a calendar.<br />
I set the Calendar to send out game reminders 3 and 1 day ahead of time. These arrive in people&#8217;s email, and I don&#8217;t have to remember to do it.
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-5849&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@EpicWords.com&lt;/a&gt; - I agree with the game continuity aspect (very important and a good service), but the core issue comes down to this:

Will the players buy into it and use it?

Mine just don&#039;t.  I&#039;ve tried free forums and now a wiki.  I&#039;ve gotten them to sign up but that&#039;s as far as it goes.  It&#039;s frustrating for me because I love being able to track things, see different perspectives on actual play write-ups, and, at the very least, organize scheduling beyond email (which I find a hassle).  No go.

Also, &quot;useful features&quot; depends largely on what you&#039;re playing.  Loot tracker?  For D&amp;D, yes.  For Burning Wheel?  Not in the slightest.  Experience tracking?  For D&amp;D, yes.  For Burning Wheel?  There is no XP.  Etc.

Since my group plays Burning Wheel, you can see how &quot;bells and whistles&quot; are of little relevance.  :)&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5852&#039;,&#039;Rafe&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-5849' rel="nofollow">@EpicWords.com</a> &#8211; I agree with the game continuity aspect (very important and a good service), but the core issue comes down to this:</p>
<p>Will the players buy into it and use it?</p>
<p>Mine just don&#8217;t.  I&#8217;ve tried free forums and now a wiki.  I&#8217;ve gotten them to sign up but that&#8217;s as far as it goes.  It&#8217;s frustrating for me because I love being able to track things, see different perspectives on actual play write-ups, and, at the very least, organize scheduling beyond email (which I find a hassle).  No go.</p>
<p>Also, &#8220;useful features&#8221; depends largely on what you&#8217;re playing.  Loot tracker?  For D&amp;D, yes.  For Burning Wheel?  Not in the slightest.  Experience tracking?  For D&amp;D, yes.  For Burning Wheel?  There is no XP.  Etc.</p>
<p>Since my group plays Burning Wheel, you can see how &#8220;bells and whistles&#8221; are of little relevance.  <img src='http://www.gnomestew.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: EpicWords.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>EpicWords.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rafe brings up good questions – why do you want your game stuff on-line? And why not just a wiki?

It’s all about the group. Keeping game continuity between sessions can be tricky. To that end, one of Epic Words’ goals is to provide a breadth of tools to help make it fun and easy. It also helps keep game time for actual gaming. 

Since not everyone is a prolific writer, we wanted to provide a variety of features for different game-organization styles. Wikis are great, but for some folks they can be a bit like staring at a blank page. Different tools prompt different types of collaboration. And if all you end up using is the private forum to discuss pizza toppings for the next session, well that’s cool. (It’s not what we had in mind, but who are we to argue?) 

*wave* to jasales. Glad to see you read Gnome Stew too!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5849&#039;,&#039;EpicWords.com&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rafe brings up good questions – why do you want your game stuff on-line? And why not just a wiki?</p>
<p>It’s all about the group. Keeping game continuity between sessions can be tricky. To that end, one of Epic Words’ goals is to provide a breadth of tools to help make it fun and easy. It also helps keep game time for actual gaming. </p>
<p>Since not everyone is a prolific writer, we wanted to provide a variety of features for different game-organization styles. Wikis are great, but for some folks they can be a bit like staring at a blank page. Different tools prompt different types of collaboration. And if all you end up using is the private forum to discuss pizza toppings for the next session, well that’s cool. (It’s not what we had in mind, but who are we to argue?) </p>
<p>*wave* to jasales. Glad to see you read Gnome Stew too!
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		<title>By: kenmarable</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenmarable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, any chance of a Epic Words/Obsidian Portal side by side comparison? 

I&#039;m thinking of giving one of them a try and would like to see people&#039;s opinions of how they compare to each other.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5843&#039;,&#039;kenmarable&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, any chance of a Epic Words/Obsidian Portal side by side comparison? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking of giving one of them a try and would like to see people&#8217;s opinions of how they compare to each other.
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		<title>By: jasales</title>
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		<dc:creator>jasales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 17:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have used web pages for years to manage my gaming content. I have switched to Epic Words as I and my players can update content from any comper. Epic Words does a great job of allowing me to get content to players, and players getting content to me and the other players. We have found all of the elements easy to use and update. The staff at Epic Words are very fast at responding to questions or comments and are always friendly. The ability for players to upload character sheets and me to get them player guides is really helpful. I make extensive use of the reference wiki and find that it works very well. As far as other wiki uses I am not certain how I would use them.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5839&#039;,&#039;jasales&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have used web pages for years to manage my gaming content. I have switched to Epic Words as I and my players can update content from any comper. Epic Words does a great job of allowing me to get content to players, and players getting content to me and the other players. We have found all of the elements easy to use and update. The staff at Epic Words are very fast at responding to questions or comments and are always friendly. The ability for players to upload character sheets and me to get them player guides is really helpful. I make extensive use of the reference wiki and find that it works very well. As far as other wiki uses I am not certain how I would use them.
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 17:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I don&#039;t see the need for a content management site for GM&#039;ing.  I agree they can be handy, but I just don&#039;t feel the need.  I&#039;m using a wikidot wiki, and it&#039;s great.  Unfortunately, I&#039;m the only one in my group using it...

Based on what you&#039;ve written and what I checked out briefly, I&#039;d say that was a fair review.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5833&#039;,&#039;Rafe&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t see the need for a content management site for GM&#8217;ing.  I agree they can be handy, but I just don&#8217;t feel the need.  I&#8217;m using a wikidot wiki, and it&#8217;s great.  Unfortunately, I&#8217;m the only one in my group using it&#8230;</p>
<p>Based on what you&#8217;ve written and what I checked out briefly, I&#8217;d say that was a fair review.
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