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		<title>By: Walt Ciechanowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt Ciechanowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-7998&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@emiliaemilia&lt;/a&gt; - I replied to your comment here:

http://www.gnomestew.com/tools-for-gms/french-vanilla-or-mint-mocha-fleshing-out-your-character&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;14228&#039;,&#039;Walt Ciechanowski&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-7998' rel="nofollow">@emiliaemilia</a> &#8211; I replied to your comment here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gnomestew.com/tools-for-gms/french-vanilla-or-mint-mocha-fleshing-out-your-character" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnomestew.com/tools-for-gms/french-vanilla-or-mint-mocha-fleshing-out-your-character</a>
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		<title>By: Martin Ralya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Ralya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 02:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-10511&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Silveressa&lt;/a&gt; - We leave them open on purpose, in case folks come by after the thread has died -- even long after! -- with something to share. Welcome to the Stew!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;10515&#039;,&#039;Martin Ralya&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-10511' rel="nofollow">@Silveressa</a> &#8211; We leave them open on purpose, in case folks come by after the thread has died &#8212; even long after! &#8212; with something to share. Welcome to the Stew!
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		<title>By: Silveressa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silveressa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gah! Just saw this thread was form back in 2k9, apologies for the necroing!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;10511&#039;,&#039;Silveressa&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah! Just saw this thread was form back in 2k9, apologies for the necroing!
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		<title>By: Silveressa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silveressa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like others have said, as long as the ex-lovers involved can keep their out of games issues out of the game and still play together nicely they can stay. If there&#039;s a problem whichever one seems to be the instigator would be asked to leave if they can&#039;t control themselves. (or both if it seems they both have issues)

It&#039;d be hard to do it any other way without jeopardizing friendships.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;10510&#039;,&#039;Silveressa&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like others have said, as long as the ex-lovers involved can keep their out of games issues out of the game and still play together nicely they can stay. If there&#8217;s a problem whichever one seems to be the instigator would be asked to leave if they can&#8217;t control themselves. (or both if it seems they both have issues)</p>
<p>It&#8217;d be hard to do it any other way without jeopardizing friendships.
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		<title>By: Lunatyk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lunatyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are you referring to?

do kogo przemawiasz Emilio?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;8009&#039;,&#039;Lunatyk&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are you referring to?</p>
<p>do kogo przemawiasz Emilio?
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		<title>By: emiliaemilia</title>
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		<dc:creator>emiliaemilia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>man, i don&#039;t know how to contact with you. reply on my email ( milka.emilka@buziaczek.pl ) or i&#039;ll have to do somethig more. if you don&#039;t remember - you stole my pic!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;7998&#039;,&#039;emiliaemilia&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>man, i don&#8217;t know how to contact with you. reply on my email ( <a href="mailto:milka.emilka@buziaczek.pl">milka.emilka@buziaczek.pl</a> ) or i&#8217;ll have to do somethig more. if you don&#8217;t remember &#8211; you stole my pic!
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		<title>By: Lunatyk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lunatyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortunately, I never had this problem but if I did, the answer seems simple.

The group is composed of friends, if there is a falling out between people they have to decide either to put their differences away or the one (might be both) who is causing the problems has to leave... if not, then I&#039;m gone...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;7845&#039;,&#039;Lunatyk&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately, I never had this problem but if I did, the answer seems simple.</p>
<p>The group is composed of friends, if there is a falling out between people they have to decide either to put their differences away or the one (might be both) who is causing the problems has to leave&#8230; if not, then I&#8217;m gone&#8230;
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		<title>By: HVL</title>
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		<dc:creator>HVL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had this happen in our group. Making them both still play once the dust settled was the best descion we ever made. They&#039;re now still really good freinds and don&#039;t hold grudges or anything and both bring their new significant others to games and play alongside.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;7834&#039;,&#039;HVL&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had this happen in our group. Making them both still play once the dust settled was the best descion we ever made. They&#8217;re now still really good freinds and don&#8217;t hold grudges or anything and both bring their new significant others to games and play alongside.
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		<title>By: Kurt "Telas" Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt "Telas" Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d allow the couple to stay as long as they could keep their reality out of my fantasy.  I&#039;d tell them this, of course.  

And if they failed to do so, I&#039;d give one warning, and then that&#039;s it; they&#039;re both gone.  Either could come back after a reasonable period and a promise to behave.

However, if one of them left of their own accord, I wouldn&#039;t boot the other one.  And I&#039;d be sure tell the rest of the group about this loophole.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;7830&#039;,&#039;Kurt \&quot;Telas\&quot; Schneider&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d allow the couple to stay as long as they could keep their reality out of my fantasy.  I&#8217;d tell them this, of course.  </p>
<p>And if they failed to do so, I&#8217;d give one warning, and then that&#8217;s it; they&#8217;re both gone.  Either could come back after a reasonable period and a promise to behave.</p>
<p>However, if one of them left of their own accord, I wouldn&#8217;t boot the other one.  And I&#8217;d be sure tell the rest of the group about this loophole.
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen this happen in a few groups and games I&#039;ve been in. 
I&#039;m echoing above sentiment, the group comes first. 
If there&#039;s too much drama they should both go. People have to be grown up enough to handle their business outside.
The flip side of this is the relationship that blooms inside of the group and it effects game play with jealousy, changing a character to be closer to your sworn enemy because you&#039;re with them now and other crazy developments that don&#039;t make a lick of sense in game.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;7829&#039;,&#039;Katherine&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen this happen in a few groups and games I&#8217;ve been in.<br />
I&#8217;m echoing above sentiment, the group comes first.<br />
If there&#8217;s too much drama they should both go. People have to be grown up enough to handle their business outside.<br />
The flip side of this is the relationship that blooms inside of the group and it effects game play with jealousy, changing a character to be closer to your sworn enemy because you&#8217;re with them now and other crazy developments that don&#8217;t make a lick of sense in game.
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		<title>By: Athzar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Athzar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d let them both in the game as long as they didn&#039;t harm the group; it&#039;d be silly to kick them out just because of OOG (out-of-game) issues if it doesn&#039;t make things awkward. Now if it was problematic for everyone else then that&#039;s something else entirely.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;7818&#039;,&#039;Athzar&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d let them both in the game as long as they didn&#8217;t harm the group; it&#8217;d be silly to kick them out just because of OOG (out-of-game) issues if it doesn&#8217;t make things awkward. Now if it was problematic for everyone else then that&#8217;s something else entirely.
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		<title>By: Lucivious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucivious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had this happen, but not in my own games.  In a game I was playing in the GM and one of the players broke up.  It pretty much caused the entire group to fall apart.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;7815&#039;,&#039;Lucivious&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had this happen, but not in my own games.  In a game I was playing in the GM and one of the players broke up.  It pretty much caused the entire group to fall apart.
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		<title>By: Scott Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t experienced this (thankfully). I&#039;d let them stay if they assured us that they could treat each other well and keep the drama from infecting the group. (No &quot;choose sides&quot; games.)

It&#039;d be a short leash, which I&#039;m not comfortable with or used to using, but letting them spin into a frenzy would be destructive to everyone.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;7804&#039;,&#039;Scott Martin&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t experienced this (thankfully). I&#8217;d let them stay if they assured us that they could treat each other well and keep the drama from infecting the group. (No &#8220;choose sides&#8221; games.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;d be a short leash, which I&#8217;m not comfortable with or used to using, but letting them spin into a frenzy would be destructive to everyone.
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Matthew Neagley. If they want to play, neither is psychotic, and spots are available, I think it&#039;s part of my job to fit them into the game.

If they&#039;re toxic to the group during play, then that&#039;s just as much a reason to remove them as any other kind of toxic player.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;7803&#039;,&#039;Brent&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Matthew Neagley. If they want to play, neither is psychotic, and spots are available, I think it&#8217;s part of my job to fit them into the game.</p>
<p>If they&#8217;re toxic to the group during play, then that&#8217;s just as much a reason to remove them as any other kind of toxic player.
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		<title>By: Swordgleam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swordgleam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This hasn&#039;t happened to me yet and hopefully won&#039;t happen, but I think I&#039;d handle it the same as any other players who had personal issues. If they can get along at the table, great. If they can&#039;t, they need to figure out a way to be civil to each other. Whoever has the most trouble maintaining their civility is out. If neither of them can handle it, they&#039;re both out.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;7802&#039;,&#039;Swordgleam&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This hasn&#8217;t happened to me yet and hopefully won&#8217;t happen, but I think I&#8217;d handle it the same as any other players who had personal issues. If they can get along at the table, great. If they can&#8217;t, they need to figure out a way to be civil to each other. Whoever has the most trouble maintaining their civility is out. If neither of them can handle it, they&#8217;re both out.
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