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		<title>By: Mage189</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mage189</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 07:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I&#039;m wondering though?  What exactly makes them iconic?  Just because they&#039;ve always been in the PHB doesn&#039;t make them iconic in my opinion.  They weren&#039;t even in the original Dungeons and Dragons rules.  I wonder if people have had this conversation before in reverse actually now.

&quot;Gnomes?  What are they?  Why are they in the Player&#039;s Handbook?  I don&#039;t remember any gnomes in the Lord of the Rings!&quot;

Anyway, I&#039;m sorry if this is turning into a rant but I really can&#039;t agree that they&#039;re iconic.  :(&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;546&#039;,&#039;Mage189&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m wondering though?  What exactly makes them iconic?  Just because they&#8217;ve always been in the PHB doesn&#8217;t make them iconic in my opinion.  They weren&#8217;t even in the original Dungeons and Dragons rules.  I wonder if people have had this conversation before in reverse actually now.</p>
<p>&#8220;Gnomes?  What are they?  Why are they in the Player&#8217;s Handbook?  I don&#8217;t remember any gnomes in the Lord of the Rings!&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m sorry if this is turning into a rant but I really can&#8217;t agree that they&#8217;re iconic.  <img src='http://www.gnomestew.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: Kurt "Telas" Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt "Telas" Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 04:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Plight of the Gnomeless really doesn&#039;t bother me that much, but I&#039;ll take a stab at it.  

Gnomes are &lt;i&gt;iconic&lt;/i&gt;.  Eladrin and Dragonborn aren&#039;t iconic.  Tieflings are arguably iconic, but not nearly as iconic as Gnomes...  

For a lot of folks (myself included), the removal of Gnomes from the PHB &lt;i&gt;while adding other races&lt;/i&gt; is an unnecessary change that seems to imply, &quot;this isn&#039;t D&amp;D any more&quot;.  While it&#039;s good to shake things up a bit, it&#039;s also good to maintain some continuity with your past.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;544&#039;,&#039;Kurt \&quot;Telas\&quot; Schneider&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Plight of the Gnomeless really doesn&#8217;t bother me that much, but I&#8217;ll take a stab at it.  </p>
<p>Gnomes are <i>iconic</i>.  Eladrin and Dragonborn aren&#8217;t iconic.  Tieflings are arguably iconic, but not nearly as iconic as Gnomes&#8230;  </p>
<p>For a lot of folks (myself included), the removal of Gnomes from the PHB <i>while adding other races</i> is an unnecessary change that seems to imply, &#8220;this isn&#8217;t D&amp;D any more&#8221;.  While it&#8217;s good to shake things up a bit, it&#8217;s also good to maintain some continuity with your past.
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		<title>By: Mage189</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mage189</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gnomes are a playable race in 4th edition.  Just like several other races that are completely playable that are presented in the Monster Manual just like in 3rd edition, they just don&#039;t get a page in the first PHB.

Why is this such a big problem for so many people?  I&#039;ve been playing D&amp;D for decades and I&#039;m the only person I&#039;ve ever known to even make a gnome character.  I&#039;ve seen halflings, planetouched people, spellscales, stone children, goliathes and many others but no gnomes.

Plus you also have to remember that they plan on releasing update books in the form of the PHB 2/DMG 2/MM 2 which should be expected  as that&#039;s what every edition since practically chainmail did.  Gnomes will probably have a write up in the PHB 2 to help fill in space.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;539&#039;,&#039;Mage189&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gnomes are a playable race in 4th edition.  Just like several other races that are completely playable that are presented in the Monster Manual just like in 3rd edition, they just don&#8217;t get a page in the first PHB.</p>
<p>Why is this such a big problem for so many people?  I&#8217;ve been playing D&amp;D for decades and I&#8217;m the only person I&#8217;ve ever known to even make a gnome character.  I&#8217;ve seen halflings, planetouched people, spellscales, stone children, goliathes and many others but no gnomes.</p>
<p>Plus you also have to remember that they plan on releasing update books in the form of the PHB 2/DMG 2/MM 2 which should be expected  as that&#8217;s what every edition since practically chainmail did.  Gnomes will probably have a write up in the PHB 2 to help fill in space.
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		<title>By: Martin Ralya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Ralya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will gnomes be in the 4e MM? I think I heard that somewhere.

If not, I don&#039;t think it&#039;ll be long before there are umpteen homebrewed gnome variants online, suitable for use as a player race.

Personally, I love gnomes. It started with the classic &lt;em&gt;Gnomes&lt;/em&gt; book of folklore (with amazing illustrations) as a kid, amped up with the old Dragonlance setting &lt;em&gt;The Time of the Dragon&lt;/em&gt; and was solidified by the gnomes in the original Forgotten Realms boxed set.

Gnomes in Taladas (TToD) live in spires alongside the continent&#039;s massive lava lake, create ingenious dropped weapons that they fling on their foes from hang gliders and have an elite warrior caste who undergo a ritual that &quot;kills&quot; them in the eyes of their friends and family -- so that, already dead, they know no fear. So awesome.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;533&#039;,&#039;Martin Ralya&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will gnomes be in the 4e MM? I think I heard that somewhere.</p>
<p>If not, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;ll be long before there are umpteen homebrewed gnome variants online, suitable for use as a player race.</p>
<p>Personally, I love gnomes. It started with the classic <em>Gnomes</em> book of folklore (with amazing illustrations) as a kid, amped up with the old Dragonlance setting <em>The Time of the Dragon</em> and was solidified by the gnomes in the original Forgotten Realms boxed set.</p>
<p>Gnomes in Taladas (TToD) live in spires alongside the continent&#8217;s massive lava lake, create ingenious dropped weapons that they fling on their foes from hang gliders and have an elite warrior caste who undergo a ritual that &#8220;kills&#8221; them in the eyes of their friends and family &#8212; so that, already dead, they know no fear. So awesome.
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		<title>By: Troy E. Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy E. Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darthkrzysztof: Respective of our site&#039;s new logo, I&#039;d say: cook &#039;em. 

But that doesn&#039;t sound right ... do you smell something burning?

Actually, I like gnomes because they are so versatile. Fey burrow gnomes, tinker gnomes, gem-hunting dwarvish cousin gnomes, leprecauns ... you get the point. Whatever you need the little to guys to be, they can be! (Customizable gnomes, a wonderful tool for the GM!)

I actually think it&#039;s ironic that they -- being TSR/Wizards, that is -- has tried to do that with halflings. They&#039;ve morphed halflings from happy little hungry hobbits into sticky-fingered kender and into these wild lithe barbarians on the Eberron plains. And those are valid creative choices, but they seemed forced.

Somehow, with gnomes, there&#039;s more elasticity. Plug the gnome into whatever (racial-role) hole you have in your campaign, and they&#039;ll fill it admirably. Try it and see.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;527&#039;,&#039;Troy E. Taylor&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darthkrzysztof: Respective of our site&#8217;s new logo, I&#8217;d say: cook &#8216;em. </p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t sound right &#8230; do you smell something burning?</p>
<p>Actually, I like gnomes because they are so versatile. Fey burrow gnomes, tinker gnomes, gem-hunting dwarvish cousin gnomes, leprecauns &#8230; you get the point. Whatever you need the little to guys to be, they can be! (Customizable gnomes, a wonderful tool for the GM!)</p>
<p>I actually think it&#8217;s ironic that they &#8212; being TSR/Wizards, that is &#8212; has tried to do that with halflings. They&#8217;ve morphed halflings from happy little hungry hobbits into sticky-fingered kender and into these wild lithe barbarians on the Eberron plains. And those are valid creative choices, but they seemed forced.</p>
<p>Somehow, with gnomes, there&#8217;s more elasticity. Plug the gnome into whatever (racial-role) hole you have in your campaign, and they&#8217;ll fill it admirably. Try it and see.
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		<title>By: Patriarch917</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patriarch917</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my 4th edition campaign setting, the gnomes the party initially meets will be wild, barbaric, scary fellows with painted faces who surround the village at night with their torches and demand a sacrifice.  Evil gnomes are great monsters because they have the &quot;scary child&quot; thing, but also the &quot;clever&quot; thing.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;526&#039;,&#039;Patriarch917&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my 4th edition campaign setting, the gnomes the party initially meets will be wild, barbaric, scary fellows with painted faces who surround the village at night with their torches and demand a sacrifice.  Evil gnomes are great monsters because they have the &#8220;scary child&#8221; thing, but also the &#8220;clever&#8221; thing.
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		<title>By: DarthKrzysztof</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarthKrzysztof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an &quot;omission&quot; that doesn&#039;t bother me, because I&#039;ve never really known what to do with gnomes...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;524&#039;,&#039;DarthKrzysztof&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an &#8220;omission&#8221; that doesn&#8217;t bother me, because I&#8217;ve never really known what to do with gnomes&#8230;
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		<title>By: Kurt "Telas" Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt "Telas" Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gnomes were left out because they&#039;re not &quot;Anime Standard&quot;, like dragon- and demon-spawn are.  Expect to see a Kitsune &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; soon, followed by any number of feline races...  (I infer this from the &quot;sword inflation&quot; that is now rampant in gaming, and was first seen in anime.) 

Honestly, the problem is that Gnomes and Halflings cover the same ground: a short race that lives underground in hilly areas and has some ties to the natural environment.  

It&#039;s not a GMing site without a &quot;lemme tell you &#039;bout MY campaign!&quot; reply, so...  My treatment is a bit different: Gnomes are a &#039;smaller cousin&#039; to Dwarves.  They are excellent at mechanical and intellectual activities.  Gnomes also run the only international banking consortium, and are active collectors and traders in information.  Long story short: Gnomes are gnerds.  

(FWIW: Halflings are related to Humans, and are a dexterous version of Professor Tolkien&#039;s Hobbits.)&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;520&#039;,&#039;Kurt \&quot;Telas\&quot; Schneider&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gnomes were left out because they&#8217;re not &#8220;Anime Standard&#8221;, like dragon- and demon-spawn are.  Expect to see a Kitsune <i>very</i> soon, followed by any number of feline races&#8230;  (I infer this from the &#8220;sword inflation&#8221; that is now rampant in gaming, and was first seen in anime.) </p>
<p>Honestly, the problem is that Gnomes and Halflings cover the same ground: a short race that lives underground in hilly areas and has some ties to the natural environment.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a GMing site without a &#8220;lemme tell you &#8217;bout MY campaign!&#8221; reply, so&#8230;  My treatment is a bit different: Gnomes are a &#8216;smaller cousin&#8217; to Dwarves.  They are excellent at mechanical and intellectual activities.  Gnomes also run the only international banking consortium, and are active collectors and traders in information.  Long story short: Gnomes are gnerds.  </p>
<p>(FWIW: Halflings are related to Humans, and are a dexterous version of Professor Tolkien&#8217;s Hobbits.)
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		<title>By: ChattyDM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChattyDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re leaving gnomes for the Players Handbook IV: Midgets and Gadgets

:)&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;519&#039;,&#039;ChattyDM&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re leaving gnomes for the Players Handbook IV: Midgets and Gadgets</p>
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