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		<title>By: Martin Ralya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Ralya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-5157&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@deadlytoque&lt;/a&gt; - Ooooh, your &quot;dust settled&quot; idea is SOLID! I dig it.

&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-5158&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@LesInk&lt;/a&gt; - With regard to your second point, I actually should have been clearer. In my group, there&#039;s generally a substantial lag between character creation and the first session -- so creating session one concurrently with character creation isn&#039;t real-time at all.

Doing it in real time, though...that WOULD be interesting. There are indie systems out there that I think would be a lot better for that sort of approach than most mainstream games.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5286&#039;,&#039;Martin Ralya&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-5157' rel="nofollow">@deadlytoque</a> &#8211; Ooooh, your &#8220;dust settled&#8221; idea is SOLID! I dig it.</p>
<p><a href='#comment-5158' rel="nofollow">@LesInk</a> &#8211; With regard to your second point, I actually should have been clearer. In my group, there&#8217;s generally a substantial lag between character creation and the first session &#8212; so creating session one concurrently with character creation isn&#8217;t real-time at all.</p>
<p>Doing it in real time, though&#8230;that WOULD be interesting. There are indie systems out there that I think would be a lot better for that sort of approach than most mainstream games.
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		<title>By: 1001 Bobs &#187; The Second Week of April in the Year 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>1001 Bobs &#187; The Second Week of April in the Year 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Scott Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have enjoyed this type of start, but it&#039;s also been problematic at times. Deferring backgrounds can lead to their neglect altogether-- or to their late emergence.

I suspect it could work very well if you were upfront about wanting everyone to get a chance to play first, but still expect background ties and depth before the game goes on. It could be tricky to phrase, but setting expectations seems like the only part you&#039;d really need to get right.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5171&#039;,&#039;Scott Martin&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have enjoyed this type of start, but it&#8217;s also been problematic at times. Deferring backgrounds can lead to their neglect altogether&#8211; or to their late emergence.</p>
<p>I suspect it could work very well if you were upfront about wanting everyone to get a chance to play first, but still expect background ties and depth before the game goes on. It could be tricky to phrase, but setting expectations seems like the only part you&#8217;d really need to get right.
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		<title>By: deadlytoque</title>
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		<dc:creator>deadlytoque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-5162&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Havukin&lt;/a&gt; - It&#039;s worked really well for me in the past! Depending on the players, I&#039;ve found most RPers LOVE to give you input into what they want to see in the game, but a lot of people are too shy/polite to just come out and -say- it. So if you just set the stage and let it happen, things clarify quickly.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5168&#039;,&#039;deadlytoque&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-5162' rel="nofollow">@Havukin</a> &#8211; It&#8217;s worked really well for me in the past! Depending on the players, I&#8217;ve found most RPers LOVE to give you input into what they want to see in the game, but a lot of people are too shy/polite to just come out and -say- it. So if you just set the stage and let it happen, things clarify quickly.
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		<title>By: Havukin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Havukin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deadlytoque: Your idea totally rocks. I&#039;m starting a cyberpunk campaign tomorrow and was just wondering how to throw the characters together. I think I&#039;ll steal that idea and make the players do the work :) The campaign is going to be improvisation-heavy anyway with the players having a lot of say concerning their surroundings so that approach would propably suit exceptionally well.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5162&#039;,&#039;Havukin&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deadlytoque: Your idea totally rocks. I&#8217;m starting a cyberpunk campaign tomorrow and was just wondering how to throw the characters together. I think I&#8217;ll steal that idea and make the players do the work <img src='http://www.gnomestew.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  The campaign is going to be improvisation-heavy anyway with the players having a lot of say concerning their surroundings so that approach would propably suit exceptionally well.
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		<title>By: Kurt "Telas" Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt "Telas" Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;ve been unintentionally doing something like this all along.  My first session is almost always a very generic, somewhat railroady situation that can appeal to a character of almost any background.  (Most recycled plot: You all happen to be traveling in the same direction, and get held up by bandits, who also steal a sentimental/valuable item being shipped to the mayor of the next town on the route.  Mayor offers to replace your gear, and reward you for the return of said item.)  

I have found through repeated backfires that the first sessions will be learning experiences for everyone, and it&#039;s usually best to keep things simple.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5161&#039;,&#039;Kurt \&quot;Telas\&quot; Schneider&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ve been unintentionally doing something like this all along.  My first session is almost always a very generic, somewhat railroady situation that can appeal to a character of almost any background.  (Most recycled plot: You all happen to be traveling in the same direction, and get held up by bandits, who also steal a sentimental/valuable item being shipped to the mayor of the next town on the route.  Mayor offers to replace your gear, and reward you for the return of said item.)  </p>
<p>I have found through repeated backfires that the first sessions will be learning experiences for everyone, and it&#8217;s usually best to keep things simple.
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		<title>By: BryanB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BryanB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like these ideas. I haven&#039;t considered a &quot;Pilot Session&quot; before.

I have tended to ask for a short character BIO in the past (via e-mail), and then had the player&#039;s decide if and how they knew each other. It requires &quot;buy in&quot; from the players though or it won&#039;t work. I&#039;m fortunate to mostly have players that will buy in and make some effort at the start. I know that it has provided for many game enhancing moments in our campaign. 

And yes... Primetime Adventures is ripe with ideas that can carry over into more traditional game systems. I especially like the spotlight and episode structure of that game.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5159&#039;,&#039;BryanB&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like these ideas. I haven&#8217;t considered a &#8220;Pilot Session&#8221; before.</p>
<p>I have tended to ask for a short character BIO in the past (via e-mail), and then had the player&#8217;s decide if and how they knew each other. It requires &#8220;buy in&#8221; from the players though or it won&#8217;t work. I&#8217;m fortunate to mostly have players that will buy in and make some effort at the start. I know that it has provided for many game enhancing moments in our campaign. </p>
<p>And yes&#8230; Primetime Adventures is ripe with ideas that can carry over into more traditional game systems. I especially like the spotlight and episode structure of that game.
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		<title>By: LesInk</title>
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		<dc:creator>LesInk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At first glance, I was going to fire back with a negative response about how I too love to create deeply integrated background stories and setup many of the initial threads that would become a major components of the campaign.  But then the wisdom of this system hit me with two words: player buy-in.

The problem with creating long involved backgrounds is that you may force your players to take on characters that may or may not work based on a &#039;fun aspect&#039;.  Even if you spend considerable time writing up the details with that single player, it might not work as well with the next player.  By having a &#039;jam&#039; session, the group quickly can act/react to other player choices.  Assuming everyone gets to voice their ideas adequately, everyone should end up being the star in a team AND everyone else knows the roles of that team.  Cool, very cool.

The second negative-turned-positive point was the idea of creating the initial adventure on the fly while the character generation is occurring.  Man, talk about pressure.  But the key here is that Marin&#039;s group is suggesting we do a &#039;trial&#039; session (maybe &#039;pilot&#039; is too strong of a word).  Just like the characters are going through a trial, so is the campaign world.  Heck, you might get more open responses from the players, &quot;Hey! this campaign world sucks, can you change X to be more Y?&quot;  Let&#039;s face it, better to kill off a bad idea in one night than to let it linger a slow death.  And, in the end, even though the adventure is being created on the fly, as GM, you probably already had some adjustable ideas you wanted to present anyway.

All in all, this smacks a bit of Primetime Adventures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primetime_Adventures) -- something I have wanted our group to try.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5158&#039;,&#039;LesInk&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first glance, I was going to fire back with a negative response about how I too love to create deeply integrated background stories and setup many of the initial threads that would become a major components of the campaign.  But then the wisdom of this system hit me with two words: player buy-in.</p>
<p>The problem with creating long involved backgrounds is that you may force your players to take on characters that may or may not work based on a &#8216;fun aspect&#8217;.  Even if you spend considerable time writing up the details with that single player, it might not work as well with the next player.  By having a &#8216;jam&#8217; session, the group quickly can act/react to other player choices.  Assuming everyone gets to voice their ideas adequately, everyone should end up being the star in a team AND everyone else knows the roles of that team.  Cool, very cool.</p>
<p>The second negative-turned-positive point was the idea of creating the initial adventure on the fly while the character generation is occurring.  Man, talk about pressure.  But the key here is that Marin&#8217;s group is suggesting we do a &#8216;trial&#8217; session (maybe &#8216;pilot&#8217; is too strong of a word).  Just like the characters are going through a trial, so is the campaign world.  Heck, you might get more open responses from the players, &#8220;Hey! this campaign world sucks, can you change X to be more Y?&#8221;  Let&#8217;s face it, better to kill off a bad idea in one night than to let it linger a slow death.  And, in the end, even though the adventure is being created on the fly, as GM, you probably already had some adjustable ideas you wanted to present anyway.</p>
<p>All in all, this smacks a bit of Primetime Adventures (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primetime_Adventures" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primetime_Adventures</a>) &#8212; something I have wanted our group to try.
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		<title>By: deadlytoque</title>
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		<dc:creator>deadlytoque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fond of the &lt;i&gt;in medias res&lt;/i&gt; approach. Players hit the table with characters and as much prep as they&#039;ve decided to use for their characters. I say &quot;roll initiative&quot; and we get the ball rolling with some excitement. At a certain point, I start asking the players how they ended up in this mess...

I find that a kickstart helps people&#039;s minds settle on character concepts, too. A loose &quot;uh, I&#039;m a ranger... from some elf city&quot; or &quot;I&#039;m a Nosferatu research scientist&quot; quickly gets fleshed out as a player gets used to their character&#039;s skills and special abilities in a big action sequence.

Once the dust has settled, we decide whether or not the session is canonical. If so, it can either be a preview, or it can be considered a &quot;flash-forward&quot; to a space between games yet-to-come.

Then I go to my normal routine of &quot;OK, I need everybody to give me 3 plot hooks for their character&quot; and I set to work dreaming up stories/adventures.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5157&#039;,&#039;deadlytoque&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fond of the <i>in medias res</i> approach. Players hit the table with characters and as much prep as they&#8217;ve decided to use for their characters. I say &#8220;roll initiative&#8221; and we get the ball rolling with some excitement. At a certain point, I start asking the players how they ended up in this mess&#8230;</p>
<p>I find that a kickstart helps people&#8217;s minds settle on character concepts, too. A loose &#8220;uh, I&#8217;m a ranger&#8230; from some elf city&#8221; or &#8220;I&#8217;m a Nosferatu research scientist&#8221; quickly gets fleshed out as a player gets used to their character&#8217;s skills and special abilities in a big action sequence.</p>
<p>Once the dust has settled, we decide whether or not the session is canonical. If so, it can either be a preview, or it can be considered a &#8220;flash-forward&#8221; to a space between games yet-to-come.</p>
<p>Then I go to my normal routine of &#8220;OK, I need everybody to give me 3 plot hooks for their character&#8221; and I set to work dreaming up stories/adventures.
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		<title>By: The Stray7</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Stray7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This approach doesn&#039;t really work for me because of the way I tend to start campaigns.  I use character backgrounds as a starting point for the first few sessions, weaving them into the stories I may have planned, which is a great way of getting player buy-in. I also tend to use backgrounds to figure out how the players meet. The only time I don&#039;t use backgrounds in this manner is when we play one-shots.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5156&#039;,&#039;The Stray7&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This approach doesn&#8217;t really work for me because of the way I tend to start campaigns.  I use character backgrounds as a starting point for the first few sessions, weaving them into the stories I may have planned, which is a great way of getting player buy-in. I also tend to use backgrounds to figure out how the players meet. The only time I don&#8217;t use backgrounds in this manner is when we play one-shots.
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